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[配置讨论] Gaussian计算对内存频率和基频哪个要求更高?

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本帖最后由 火星哥 于 2025-9-9 15:03 编辑

组内打算增置一台服务器,预算5w左右。我很开心的推荐epyc的服务器,核心量大管饱。但是老师希望基频尽可能高,我搜了搜似乎确实计算速度和基频有相关性,老师相中了双路6444Y的新华三主机,想问这是否是最佳选择?相比epyc 9654呢?

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发表于 Post on 2025-9-9 16:09:47 | 只看该作者 Only view this author
9654 turbo之后是3.7,跟6444Y turbo之后4.0相差不大。
如果你们组任务多,显然还是9654划算。6444Y核心太少了

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发表于 Post on 2025-9-9 18:08:33 | 只看该作者 Only view this author
本帖最后由 zdb 于 2025-9-9 18:24 编辑

任务多推荐EPYC,但是你的9654双路满配情况下,可能超出预算吧!

如果选择6444Y的话,也可以使用AMD EPYC的9174F,基频更高4.1,全核睿频4.15 单核睿频4.4,价格上会比6444Y便宜点,其他的9275F/9375F/9475F也是可以选择的,看价格
不过从适用性来讲9654绝对是比6444Y合适的,H3C的机器应该是机架式的,没有机房办公室是不好用起来的,而且课题组肯定不会是一个人在用,多人使用32个核不够分呀!

而9654双路一人分二十个核心,够六个人使用

其实还有一个选择:intel 的8432C 3.8的主频  单颗40核心,只是目前这个缺货

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发表于 Post on 2025-9-9 18:09:38 | 只看该作者 Only view this author
Although I don't know much about your specific use-case, personally I wouldn't choose to configure a dual 6444Y system. As tonganlhy mentioned above, the EPYC 9654 processors boost quite reliably, and there is only a small difference in boost frequencies between the 9654 and 6444Y chips. Indeed, CPU frequency is quite often the bottleneck for CPU-intensive scientific computing, but I don't think you'll notice much difference between 3.7 and 4.0 GHz in terms of what you can achieve on this computer system (at most ~10% in single-threaded performance, but probably even less). However, I expect that you'll find the core-count of the 6444Y chip to be more severely limiting: the 96 cores of the EPYC 9654 vs the 16 of the Xeon Gold 6444Y gives you huge headroom for scaling your workflows. It's very often quite easy to find suitable 'scale-up' strategies to parallelise your workflows, but only having 32 cores to play with in the dual 6444Y system would be quite limiting. As code develops, the efficiency of parallelisation is continuously improving, and having lots of cores is a good way to future-proof your systems.

At the center of this, it's worth bearing in mind that there's always a tradeoff between CPU frequency and the number of cores, which can only be somewhat alleviated by spending a lot of money. If you have a big budget, then the AMD Threadripper CPUs bring both high core-counts and high frequencies. However, if CPU frequency is really the most important consideration for you, and the low core-count of the 6444Y CPU is fine for your use case, I would personally choose to build a Ryzen 7000/9000-based system (or two!) for far less money.

Lower core-count server grade CPUs tend to be less suitable for scientific computing applications. Mostly, their advantages over consumer chips (with similar core-counts and even higher frequencies) involve their connectivity (PCI-e lanes, memory lanes, SAS/SATA), and the ability to install large RAM capacities.

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zdb 发表于 2025-9-9 18:08
任务多推荐EPYC,但是你的9654双路满配情况下,可能超出预算吧!

如果选择6444Y的话,也可以使用AMD EPY ...

可以后期补,双路6444y的新华三已经7W了,妈呀!

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本帖最后由 zdb 于 2025-9-9 20:13 编辑

品牌的相对来说是贵一点,6444Y是正式的发行版处理器,处理器价格差不多2W,品牌一个准系统也要大2W,可以根据使用的需求来劝劝导,EPYC 9654   7W可以做到满配24根32G内存了
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.85)]高斯中小分子单点能、简单构型优化等任务,通常并行度较低(如 1-8 核),此时单线程性能[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.85)]是核心瓶颈
Intel 6444Y 双路:若以小体系计算为主(<100 原子)、任务并行度低,或预算有限,高频带来的单线程优势更实用。(也可以选择EPYC 几款核心数少基频高的处理器)
AMD EPYC 9654 双路:若需处理中大规模体系(>100 原子)、依赖高并行计算,或有大量任务并发需求,多核 + 高内存带宽的优势会显著提升效率

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发表于 Post on 2025-9-11 09:29:49 | 只看该作者 Only view this author
本帖最后由 AKUNServer 于 2025-9-11 09:39 编辑

新华三也有AMD处理器的服务器,如果都到7w的价格了,我觉得可以尝试 9474FCPU的服务器,按照常规基础配置的话,价格应该也是7-8w但我想基础频率还是核心都能完全满足你的需求

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